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[Jun. 25th, 2009|03:22 pm]
Billy Corgan
Recently I read a post by another famed alt-rocker from my generation lamenting the negative cultures of the internet...how its inherent narcissism ruins a lot of good fun for everyone because those that shout the loudest and are the most obsessive are able to control a dialogue over things that in the normal discourse of real life wouldn't be that big a deal...I have watched with great interest over the last 15 or so years the rise of the web and how it has given form to new social dynamics and single-handedly helped to blow up the music business that I think I used to belong to...as a interested observer, let me say then that I am fully aware that nothing I say here will change anything as it pertains to any negativity lingering proudly in the human soul, because that is a decision that only comes thru and from the collective; when a majority of us are tired of such constant poison that we'll scream 'enough' at the top of our lungs and the idiots get drowned out by those who have sat silently waiting till they can take it no more...I am more silent these days than not, an ironic fact of which I am criticized by fans for not feeding them with enough vacant info to their liking, but nicely applauded with apathy by those that don't care should I live or die...after all, aren't I a horrible, detestable creature that would dare go his own way in life?...shame on me for not being one of the sheeple!!

I have tried in vain to create a positive, loving website that takes into great effect those that would use it most...I hear quite often not to let the bad apples in this bunch that do visit the site far too often ruin it for the rest of those that aren't so destructive and are capable to see the forest from the trees...the point being 'hey Billy, its just the way of the world, don't be so sensitive'...

That's a similar logic I heard when I first started in music and I was told certain things were not possible with my band or my tunes...my point to you is just because everyone accepts something dumb doesn't make it good or whole or essential...in essence their point is, yes, the website is a reflection on the larger culture as a whole, and I am powerless to stop it... Todays laughter was me being criticized for a post that had info about a charity that was offering (to the highest bidder) a lunch with me. Unfortunately, unknown to me, the info stated that lunch was on the person who won the auction. Having never offered myself for a charity lunch date before, I was curious to see what fans might say about it. I was surprised to see a minor detail I was unaware of that said the winner must pay the bill at lunch turn into an attack on me and my supposed fortune. What an asshole I am to not want to buy lunch?

I bring this to your attention because this is exactly what's to be expected in a mean and bitter world. Every act, no matter how kind or caring must be viewed thru the dim lens of ambition, greed, power, and ultimately selfishness. There must be an ulterior motive to all of this, right?? A charity lunch just can't be as simple as that. The awareness raised for the charity means nothing against what its going to do for my career...and what a career its been! And thank God someone gets to fit the bill for my meal!

Yes I'm being sarcastic but the sad part is someone out there will read this and think the worst, never seeing the darkness and avarice in their own heart...

I've made a pledge to lead a different kind of business, and it must begin with this website, which stands as the public face of Smashing Pumpkins World Domination Corp.

What do I wish to dominate with? Love and good music...did he just say love and good music? Now I know he's insane...

Love means nothing against someone with something to say.

So I'll get to my point. This website is going to change. It is going to transform into something that is consistent with the concepts of love, grace, and community. We are not looking backwards anymore, only forward. I for one am willing to stand for something good here, in this little corner of the blogosphere, and say it's time.

What makes the things I'm saying here even more real to me is the passing of my dear friend Sky Sunlight Saxon. Sky lived everyday with the concept of LOVE as his guide, and he walked the talk. He was a spiritual warrior who would tell me that Yahowa knew the beauty of our hearts, and that musicians were the living prophets of the world. So in Sky's memory I am going to re-dedicate this website to represent the things he cared about most; love, life, music, his spiritual family, and the protection of all God's creatures, big and small.'

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[User Picture]From: jolefay
2009-06-25 08:33 pm (UTC)

Just wanna

give you a hug.
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[User Picture]From: lullysing
2009-06-25 08:45 pm (UTC)
These are also the very same poisonous people like the finance guys that managed to fuck everything globally, and now can only complain about not being able to afford bottle service to impress some whores after work. Sad, but these people represent some kind of dirty neanderthal side of us, the very same kind of selfish bastardness Hunter Thompson used to rant about.
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[User Picture]From: flat_scan
2009-06-25 08:58 pm (UTC)
I don't think the vocal, narcissistic crowd will every go away. John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory stands true for a non trivial percent of the population, and I don't see that changing.

What I do see is more people learning how to deal with it. Anyone who spends a good amount of their life (i.e. their employment) following internet discussions quickly learns that A) these people will always be there, and B) the real, honest, and constructive discussion still goes on unabated.
The trick is to recognize the trolls and troublemakers, and discard their attempts at sabbotage, the same way one overlooks banner ads on every other website. They are there, we just take no notice of them.

I think the pop music industry is much the same.
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[User Picture]From: youwhowereborn
2009-06-25 09:33 pm (UTC)
Wow. Totally awesome. I am in love with this man.

But I want to know who the alt-rocker was!!!
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[User Picture]From: loveless
2009-06-25 09:40 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: linzznil
2009-06-25 09:40 pm (UTC)
Did you notice that he never did say that he would, in fact, pay the lunch bill?

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[User Picture]From: glasschild
2009-06-26 12:38 am (UTC)
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From: xpaleprincessx
2009-06-26 12:08 am (UTC)

this is just so sad

he will be greatly missed
he was, is, and will always be such a huge inspiration!
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[User Picture]From: smudgedidentity
2009-06-26 12:49 am (UTC)

Hi, Billy

I don't know if you read the responses on this thing, but if you do...

I think the trick is to avoid becoming cynical. The dynamics change around us, but we, individually, determine how we will interact with each other and the world at large.

Even if the world around me goes up in flames, I am responsible for myself and can have an impact on others around me just by virtue of being authentic.

We are part of the tapestry, and we can be bits of light, or we can fade out. It's a choice.

I appreciate you, and thanks for keeping at it.
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[User Picture]From: common_nocturne
2009-06-27 02:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Hi, Billy

Well said.
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From: linda1167
2009-06-26 01:27 am (UTC)
I feel the same- sometimes feel like moving up on a mountaintop raising goats would be more meaningful than trying to get along in today's society.
Your music and your stories have touched me more than any other in my 40 so odd years in this world. I wish I'd known them longer than just the past year. Life is short. I want to live mine with purpose. I admire you for doing the things you do and look forward to what the future brings.
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[User Picture]From: morgue_n
2009-06-26 02:16 am (UTC)
i love how you write.
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[User Picture]From: eyeadore
2009-06-29 06:58 am (UTC)
Ahh, you beat me to it. I was going to say the same exact thing..

Anyways, Billy, you're so much more well-balanced than I am. Anytime I get criticized over anything I've done (or not done), I definitely take it very harshly.. I admire how strong you are.
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[User Picture]From: carrolian
2009-06-26 02:22 am (UTC)
This post made me remember Dr. Patch Adams workshop that I’ve attended. He said about the social schemes of conformism: fear, anger, exaltation of tragedies, every kind of negativeness... all this makes us shift our attention of love and caring to these bad things. And this make the wheel of power spin. To love somebody, or everybody, is transgression, Billy, and in this post you show you’re doing it right.
This is the first time I post, and despite my limitations on English, I felt I needed to write about Patch, about the connection between these two ideas. There are many videos at Youtube with him and his thoughts, many of them made on my country (Brazil), but spoken in English, if you want... Keep all this love in you heart, and in ours! xoxo
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-06-26 03:33 am (UTC)

bravo billy

If it's any consolation...I had actually considered bidding and bringing my 15 year old son to buy you lunch. I didn't think twice about who paid? That doesn't mean I am good, they are bad...but that I am not focused on the negative. I held back because I didn't want to seem like an obsessive fan since I am always chiming in something positive to you. I actually enjoy your positive energy and good nature. That's about all I thought...oh and I have always wanted to try that H20 place in Chicago:) I am not a fan of LA. Then that was it :) But seriously, not everyone is like that but like you said most sit quietly behind the scenes...and don't say anything. The the negative ones may think they are winning. Nope, that old saying...silence is golden.

You do not owe anyone anything. You have paid your dues. If you choose to volunteer your time then that's your choice to contribute your time or not. They can say what they want but in the end the proceeds will go to help a charity.

I am actually glad to hear you say something about people not speaking up. That has been a source of conflict in me. I often say that ole "do not mistake my kindness for weakness". Often times people assume that your silence is condoning or agreeing with what is being said. Which is not true. I have stayed quite because I figured you did not need anyone to fight your battles and figured anything I said would be ignored due the depth of hatred and negativity that is expressed. It's not just on your website or to you. It's all over the internet...and it's sad. That Perez Hilton site is a breeding ground of narcissism. I don't go there because it makes me feel sick.

I have not read the comments on your website because I stopped reading any postings on there for that reason...someone has to ruin it by saying something mean or off the wall. I was thinking most of it is projection...and ignorance. I am amazed how some can ignore that it was a charity auction and point out something insignificant or taking something that is good and twisting it into a way to attack you? I am sorry that happened.

I stay silent because I was taught to react with grace and love. Also I was always taught if you ignore them then they will go away. All I can hope is speaking up will bring in some good intentions and energy to the world. I think it will continue to happen if everyone feeds in to it. If you want to defuse it then react with love and then one can simply ask them to explain what they mean until they can hear themselves or maybe they will not. Sometimes I choose to let go of the outcome...

It's time to fight back with love and patience. That's all one can do.

Peace be with you Billy. Thank you for your guiding light :)


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From: starla_whir
2009-06-26 09:05 am (UTC)


He's still rocking in the universe ...

Sir Billy, meastro, mentor - I trust your religious outbursts will wane
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From: ext_195819
2009-06-26 10:06 am (UTC)

Niggle me this, Niggle me that...

I read the headline;

"Billy Corgan makes fan pay for charity lunch, drowns kittens, sets orphanage alight"
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From: cor_mio
2009-06-27 02:48 pm (UTC)
I think the negativity surrounding this lunch incident probably has nothing to do with your lunch idea per se, but stems back to other things you've done in the past that your fans have deemed unethical and narcissistic on your part. I can't name exact things, but I've heard fans complaining about all sorts of things about the way you have been packaging your music, the price of tickets, the way you are "selling out" your music to commercials, stuff like that. I personally think it was narcissistic on your part to revive the name "Smashing Pumpkins", if I may be so bold. So when you offer to do something really sweet (and I do think it was really sweet) as a charity lunch, they just automatically figure you have something up your sleeve.
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From: albijuli
2009-06-28 08:00 pm (UTC)

I had to get this out of my system:

Okay, already they are participating in an auction to have lunch with you, right? Since the winner had so much money to begin with to beat out the other auctioners, why not just pay for your damn lunch, too?

I know I'm going to get shit for saying that because blah blah blah economy, but that just didn't make sense to me. It's like buying an overpriced convertable but deciding to skip over the warranty because it was too much money! ...Bad analogy, I'm sure, but I hope you'd get the idea.
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