2009-06-25 08:33 pm (UTC)
give you a hug.
These are also the very same poisonous people like the finance guys that managed to fuck everything globally, and now can only complain about not being able to afford bottle service to impress some whores after work. Sad, but these people represent some kind of dirty neanderthal side of us, the very same kind of selfish bastardness Hunter Thompson used to rant about.
I don't think the vocal, narcissistic crowd will every go away. John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory stands true for a non trivial percent of the population, and I don't see that changing.
What I do see is more people learning how to deal with it. Anyone who spends a good amount of their life (i.e. their employment) following internet discussions quickly learns that A) these people will always be there, and B) the real, honest, and constructive discussion still goes on unabated.
The trick is to recognize the trolls and troublemakers, and discard their attempts at sabbotage, the same way one overlooks banner ads on every other website. They are there, we just take no notice of them.
I think the pop music industry is much the same.
Wow. Totally awesome. I am in love with this man.
But I want to know who the alt-rocker was!!!
Did you notice that he never did say that he would, in fact, pay the lunch bill?
he will be greatly missed
he was, is, and will always be such a huge inspiration!
I don't know if you read the responses on this thing, but if you do...
I think the trick is to avoid becoming cynical. The dynamics change around us, but we, individually, determine how we will interact with each other and the world at large.
Even if the world around me goes up in flames, I am responsible for myself and can have an impact on others around me just by virtue of being authentic.
We are part of the tapestry, and we can be bits of light, or we can fade out. It's a choice.
I appreciate you, and thanks for keeping at it.
I feel the same- sometimes feel like moving up on a mountaintop raising goats would be more meaningful than trying to get along in today's society.
Your music and your stories have touched me more than any other in my 40 so odd years in this world. I wish I'd known them longer than just the past year. Life is short. I want to live mine with purpose. I admire you for doing the things you do and look forward to what the future brings.
Ahh, you beat me to it. I was going to say the same exact thing..
Anyways, Billy, you're so much more well-balanced than I am. Anytime I get criticized over anything I've done (or not done), I definitely take it very harshly.. I admire how strong you are.
This post made me remember Dr. Patch Adams workshop that I’ve attended. He said about the social schemes of conformism: fear, anger, exaltation of tragedies, every kind of negativeness... all this makes us shift our attention of love and caring to these bad things. And this make the wheel of power spin. To love somebody, or everybody, is transgression, Billy, and in this post you show you’re doing it right.
This is the first time I post, and despite my limitations on English, I felt I needed to write about Patch, about the connection between these two ideas. There are many videos at Youtube with him and his thoughts, many of them made on my country (Brazil), but spoken in English, if you want... Keep all this love in you heart, and in ours! xoxo
2009-06-26 03:33 am (UTC)
If it's any consolation...I had actually considered bidding and bringing my 15 year old son to buy you lunch. I didn't think twice about who paid? That doesn't mean I am good, they are bad...but that I am not focused on the negative. I held back because I didn't want to seem like an obsessive fan since I am always chiming in something positive to you. I actually enjoy your positive energy and good nature. That's about all I thought...oh and I have always wanted to try that H20 place in Chicago:) I am not a fan of LA. Then that was it :) But seriously, not everyone is like that but like you said most sit quietly behind the scenes...and don't say anything. The the negative ones may think they are winning. Nope, that old saying...silence is golden.
You do not owe anyone anything. You have paid your dues. If you choose to volunteer your time then that's your choice to contribute your time or not. They can say what they want but in the end the proceeds will go to help a charity.
I am actually glad to hear you say something about people not speaking up. That has been a source of conflict in me. I often say that ole "do not mistake my kindness for weakness". Often times people assume that your silence is condoning or agreeing with what is being said. Which is not true. I have stayed quite because I figured you did not need anyone to fight your battles and figured anything I said would be ignored due the depth of hatred and negativity that is expressed. It's not just on your website or to you. It's all over the internet...and it's sad. That Perez Hilton site is a breeding ground of narcissism. I don't go there because it makes me feel sick.
I have not read the comments on your website because I stopped reading any postings on there for that reason...someone has to ruin it by saying something mean or off the wall. I was thinking most of it is projection...and ignorance. I am amazed how some can ignore that it was a charity auction and point out something insignificant or taking something that is good and twisting it into a way to attack you? I am sorry that happened.
I stay silent because I was taught to react with grace and love. Also I was always taught if you ignore them then they will go away. All I can hope is speaking up will bring in some good intentions and energy to the world. I think it will continue to happen if everyone feeds in to it. If you want to defuse it then react with love and then one can simply ask them to explain what they mean until they can hear themselves or maybe they will not. Sometimes I choose to let go of the outcome...
It's time to fight back with love and patience. That's all one can do.
Peace be with you Billy. Thank you for your guiding light :)
He's still rocking in the universe ...
Sir Billy, meastro, mentor - I trust your religious outbursts will wane
2009-06-26 10:06 am (UTC)
Niggle me this, Niggle me that...
I read the headline;
"Billy Corgan makes fan pay for charity lunch, drowns kittens, sets orphanage alight"
I think the negativity surrounding this lunch incident probably has nothing to do with your lunch idea per se, but stems back to other things you've done in the past that your fans have deemed unethical and narcissistic on your part. I can't name exact things, but I've heard fans complaining about all sorts of things about the way you have been packaging your music, the price of tickets, the way you are "selling out" your music to commercials, stuff like that. I personally think it was narcissistic on your part to revive the name "Smashing Pumpkins", if I may be so bold. So when you offer to do something really sweet (and I do think it was really sweet) as a charity lunch, they just automatically figure you have something up your sleeve.
2009-06-28 08:00 pm (UTC)
I had to get this out of my system:
Okay, already they are participating in an auction to have lunch with you, right? Since the winner had so much money to begin with to beat out the other auctioners, why not just pay for your damn lunch, too?
I know I'm going to get shit for saying that because blah blah blah economy, but that just didn't make sense to me. It's like buying an overpriced convertable but deciding to skip over the warranty because it was too much money! ...Bad analogy, I'm sure, but I hope you'd get the idea.