not going to lie, i am nothing but extremely excited by this news. everything about it. wow.
i can't wait.
I am so excited for the new songs, and I absolutely love & appreciate your philosophy towards releasing it! Thank you thank you!
Also love the tarot connection- should be interesting!!
Wow I'm amazed by the number of songs planned. Here's hoping it'll be as good as your old standards. I've been hoping for something I can really sink my teeth into again!
That sounds really nice? ... but I don't personally understand why Billy would give away 44 songs for free. I mean, billy needs to eat too, right? And I want billy to eat. And it's his sweat and blood that went into the music, no? I guess I just don't understand the music industry anymore. Fans should neither demand free music, nor should artists supply it, at least not on such a vast scale as 44 songs.
You have the option to support him as I assume a number of people will. He's releasing EPS and a full album set later.
yeah, but still. It just doesn't seem right. I mean, I doubt billy is going to make a significant profit that way (I could be wrong). It just seems to be that giving away 44 songs isn't a good idea nowadays, when so many listeners are downloading stuff illegally because they aren't thinking clearly about how this effects the music industry. Billy is probably giving them away free because he figures that otherwise people are going to get them illegally anyway- but I don't see how giving in like that solves the problem!
It's Billy's music to give away if he so chooses. I don't see how that could be wrong. Musicians make the bulk of their money from touring and merchandise, not album sales.
(edited for typo correction)
Edited at 2009-09-17 09:53 am (UTC)
2009-09-17 09:41 pm (UTC)
common_nocturne, I am not sure why you are so concerned about this.
First of all, if you respect the band, you'll support what they are doing, instead of insisting on questions it.
Secondly, as another person has noted, since it's their music, they should be able to do whatever they want, without your needless input. I am sure they have though it through. Why, are you thinking they are kids who do acts on a whim?
Thirdly, just because you think they won't make money this way, doesn't mean they won't make money this way. They are not the first band to try this, and the previous band that did this actually made more money than if they release it through one of the big labels. After all, the Labels are know to SUCK most profit out of any release.
Fourthly, and unfortunately, piracy is now a fact of Internet. You might want to stop it or try to pretend it doesn't exist, but it does exist and is very real. The MUSIC INDUSTRY you are referring to are the blood sucking labels that is losing major money because they are slow to adapt and very resistant to new ideas or methodology (since new technology might just make them unnecessary, thus they have to protect themselves). Artist nowadays have better ways to directly sell their music and connect to their fans without the label.
Finally, we should be congratulating the band for daring to try out a new method and new ideology, which despite counter-intuitive, actually works quite well so far.
The music industry is not in trouble. Popular band remains popular. People are still willing to spend money on music. They just don't want to spend their money supporting the MUSIC LABELS anymore. Before we have to because they are the only way, not the best or most efficient way, to promote and distribute music. Now we have the Internet, why should we continue to pay the middle man for music when you can PAY THE ARTISTS DIRECTLY with the Internet?
Hi there anonymous, and thanks for taking the time to share your views (I hope you get my response).
Why am I so concerned and why do I insist on questioning billy's free-music idea? Very simply because I am myself a musician who is very much aware of everything you just said about the major labels and about internet piracy, and it all seems very confusing to me. I'm not trying to argue with billy for the sake of arguing - I'm seriously just trying to understand why he's doing it, with both his and my best interests in mind.
It's a complicated subject. 1) Does an artist still make the same, or greater, profit by doing everything him/herself, without a middle man? 2) How many fans will really be interested in buying the limited edition EP, and how many will be able to get their hands on it, if it's limited? (imagine, for instance, if you were unable to get the Mellon Collie album because it was sold out)? 3) Do we end up with the same quality of art, or does working without the middle man only create new and bigger demands on quality and methodology? These are questions whose answers I don't pretend to know. Another question is, does this new method of selling music work for all artists, big and small, or does it only work for the big names who already have a huge following, like the Pumpkins (who, we should recall, got famous with the support of Virgin records)? It's not all so obvious as you make it seem, anonymous; but I certainly appreciate your interest in debating the matter.
2009-10-03 06:07 pm (UTC)
It is not difficult to understand
Bands, even big popular bands make most of their money doing concerts. Most of the money from CD sales go to the record companies.
Anything that is easy to distribute across a network is moving towards a free model, with the exception of books perhaps, since the authors have to way to make money on the backend. Software is an area that has been moving towards free for a while now and free software is a billion dollar business. If that seems counter intuitive to you, that just means you need to think about it outside the record label or proprietary software box.
It is a very intuitive idea and it works well.
I agree with you, but I think at this point Billy is just trying to get his music and his band name back out there again. If he can regain a fanbase, or build up a new fan base, by giving away free music, it will be all the better for him in the long run, and he can make money on concerts and other record releases. I guess we'll see if it works -- that will all depend on the music, I suspect. Best of luck to him. I'll certainly be excited to hear some new songs! :)
Hmm. I think you might have a good point there. Somehow I don't see it as making a big difference, though. Like you said, it depends on the music, and if the music is good he wouldn't have to be doing this.
2009-09-17 08:26 pm (UTC)
Industry Lacky alert
go to techdirt.com and read about what is happening in the recording industry if you want to understand his motivation.
In a system where there is infinite supply (via internet) of a specific item, no cost to duplicate it, and no profit to be made by signing with a label. He is giving his fans a reason to buy, the highly limited edition EP's, the deluxe box set, and any other scarce items. Also the majority of an artists money has always come from touring. I have the feeling he will do just fine and eat very well indeed.... Big Ole GRIN
Techdirt looks really interesting, but I'm not sure exactly which articles you are suggesting I read. I'll have to go back to it and look through it when I have more time. Thanks.
Hmm, interesting. Freely available music is good, of course. I hope the "deluxe box set" will be something akin to a double/triple/quadruple (whatever is appropriate) album. I think I just want a somewhat affordable official release, since my guess is that the cost of eleven EPs would add up to mucho dinero in the end.
looking foreward to hearing it when it is released
That is very generous! Takes me back to a time when I sent off blank CDs to the official fansite and received my very own Machina II back in the mail thanks to your generousity.
Yayyy! I love Tarot so I will be very much looking forward to this.
2009-09-17 05:34 am (UTC)
oh lordy lordy lordy! not only is the concept album centered around Tarot and the story of the Fool - but you are bringing back the old psychedlic vibe. thank you thank you thank you, look forward to it much!!!!! rock out god please!
2009-09-17 05:35 am (UTC)
billy you are nuts! 53 songs written already!?
I really admire your open-mindedness regarding the creation and distribution of music. Your efforts are unique, and you're an extremely forward-looking artist. Your true fans appreciate it and will be showing up to see your concerts as soon as you finish the album.
Wow! Great news!
How about touring? More precisely - touring in Eastern Europe?
oooooooeeeeee)))))Russia love you, Billy:)
Oh, that's in-fucking-credible! Can't wait, can't wait...
2009-09-17 01:20 pm (UTC)
I would like to say Cheers (from Portugal).
I really appreciate your music and the way you see the music industry.
You have already left your mark in the music History. Hope this new album writes a new chapter.
2009-09-17 02:09 pm (UTC)
Hugo, Strayavat PORTUGAL
It is very fulfilling to hear that you will make a new album, i'm into smashing pumpkins for some time and a friend called orgie agostinho actually got me even more into the smashing pumkins so it is very cool to hear more from you guys!
Wow. Bliss on so many levels... it's good to be a music-based life form.
i am ready for atmospheric, melodic, heavy and pretty. i'm fuckin' psyched billy!!!
2009-09-17 08:07 pm (UTC)
never cease to amaze
from the little gypsy girl in deep ellum dallas texas
2009-09-17 08:32 pm (UTC)
just jizzed in my pants
Looking forward to these 44+ gifts! I'm sure a ton of loving fans (such as myself) will be motivated to purchase the EP's. Love the tarot idea. Wait, has Billy been hanging out with Marilyn Manson again? :)
2009-09-17 10:20 pm (UTC)
billy, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease record/release orpheus descending! the snippets in 'if all goes wrong' aren't enough! it's amazing!
2009-09-17 10:59 pm (UTC)
i'm a bit late on the news as it seems but it strickes me just as well.
peace and flowers
2009-09-18 07:25 pm (UTC)
On the use of Tarot for games
I've been a fan of your music since the early 90's when MTV 120 minutes ran the video for Siva. When I worked in radio, Smashing Pumpkins was played quite frequently.
I'm looking forward to the "Teargarden" release and I love the artwork depicted here.
As an American Tarot game player, your interest in Tarot cards grabbed my attention.
I have some comments concerning "The Fool's Journey" theme and how Tarot cards are often perceived in our country.
"The Fool's Journey" is a modern Tarot meme which originated with Eden Gray. http://marygreer.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/eden-gray%E2%80%99s-fool%E2%80%99s-journey/
It was Eden Gray, along with US Games founder Stuart Kaplan, who were most responsible for the popularity of Tarot reading in the US during the last 40 years.
While most Americans only think of Tarot cards as a divinatory tool, people in countries such as France and Italy also play actual games with these cards.
It should also be mentioned that the Tarot or Tarock game cards in France and Austria look radically different than American divinatory decks.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot_Nouveauhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/8/8d/20071103100945%21Tarotcards.jpg
The Tarot card game is so well established in France, there is even an official federation which conducts tournaments in that country.http://www.fftarot.fr/
I think it is bit sad that we Americans do not enjoy the same pluralism that Europeans do when it comes to the usage of Tarot cards.
I believe this lack of diversity in our country has placed barriers to Americans accepting these cards as part of our culture.
I became a Tarot game advocate from reading this quote from the tarotpassages website.http://www.tarotpassages.com/deckerint.htm
"Ron is still trying to build up tarot in the collection, as curators of the collection had previously neglected fortune telling decks. Now, with the understanding that tarot was once played as a card game, he is able to add to these decks. The theme of the collection has always been 'playing cards'.
I believe that awareness of Tarot as a card game would lead to these cards becoming more accepted in places such as our public school system. I also believe such awareness could also expand the role that Tarot could play in our leisure activities.
I'm not advocating a turning back of the clock to where Tarot was only game playing but a move forward where the modern Tarot games of countries such as France, Austria, Switzerland and Italy are globally recognized. The divinatory Tarot and the Tarot card games would co-exist in our country as it currenly does in European ones and would thus benefit our country as it benefits theirs.
Since you've already demonstrated an interest in the divinatory Tarot, are there any plans to also help popularize the use of Tarot cards for game playing in the near future?
Info on the use of Tarot for games.http://www.pagat.com/tarot/http://www.tarocchino.com/
2009-09-18 07:53 pm (UTC)
Come to play it here in Portugal, you`ll allways wellcome in my country as you certanly know!
Sorry for my bad english.
i`m 37 and i see 2 Smashing Pumpkins gigs ,the first and Aula Magna, and i can tell you that is a great experience.
See you here in Portugal , i hope it will be soon.
Good Luck for the new drummer!
, did you hear about the new Billy Corgan blog everythingfromheretothere.com, and are you considering collecting and posting the entries on this feed?
greetings from the Philippines, Mr. Corgan! here's a well-wish for the band's new album!
just one concern: it sucks for us third world music fans because foreign records that reach our shores are usually the ones released by major labels. if you're planning to go DIY, i hope you'll be releasing those EP's here. thanks very much!
So cool Corgan. This is the best news that I received this week, this year. I'm waiting since now.
First-time visitor to the journal here and long-time Pumpkins fan...
I think this is a kick-ass idea. Cheers!
2009-09-21 08:18 pm (UTC)
in response to your announcement
Just thought you might want to read this:
It's an article all about you and your announcement to give away your music.
Orgasmic as usual Sir Billy :-)
I am very committed to seeing this album through to its completion and very, very excited about the prospect of delivering new Smashing Pumpkins music to you in a unique and exciting way.
And I'm very, very excited about receiving a new Smashing Pumpkins album. You rock.
I can't to wait for the atmospheric, melodic, heavy, and pretty songs!!
The boy from Inner Mongolia.
2010-04-27 09:43 am (UTC)
Oh my god, I can't believe you, no way, "the fools journey"
billy, damn, i love you
i am ...speechless...
i can feel it already...
2010-04-28 07:08 am (UTC)
My friend spent the last two and a half years making an art film concerning the major arcana of the tarot deck, the fool being the main character. It's called "We Are Fools". I play the devil card and the love card. It also features Tony Conrad and MV Carbon. Comes out in Fall of 2010. You can view the trailer here: