2009-06-25 08:33 pm (UTC)
give you a hug.
These are also the very same poisonous people like the finance guys that managed to fuck everything globally, and now can only complain about not being able to afford bottle service to impress some whores after work. Sad, but these people represent some kind of dirty neanderthal side of us, the very same kind of selfish bastardness Hunter Thompson used to rant about.
I don't think the vocal, narcissistic crowd will every go away. John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory stands true for a non trivial percent of the population, and I don't see that changing.
What I do see is more people learning how to deal with it. Anyone who spends a good amount of their life (i.e. their employment) following internet discussions quickly learns that A) these people will always be there, and B) the real, honest, and constructive discussion still goes on unabated.
The trick is to recognize the trolls and troublemakers, and discard their attempts at sabbotage, the same way one overlooks banner ads on every other website. They are there, we just take no notice of them.
I think the pop music industry is much the same.
Wow. Totally awesome. I am in love with this man.
But I want to know who the alt-rocker was!!!
D'oh, I should have known... have heard about T.R.'s recent comments through the media.
Did you notice that he never did say that he would, in fact, pay the lunch bill?
2009-06-28 01:29 pm (UTC)
So what He wouldn't mind even if some one took him out to wendy's and spent around 20 bucks.What does it matter.
I kinda agree with flat_scan
; I think there are always going to be trolls, but with some ground rules and a good moderator or 10, you can keep it to a minimum. Also, all that love and good music will, given time, attract a following of regulars committed to that positive vibe. A good tight-knit community of regulars can go a long way towards keeping negative elements out.
Sorry to hear about your friend. He sounds like he was awesome. *hug*
he will be greatly missed
he was, is, and will always be such a huge inspiration!
I don't know if you read the responses on this thing, but if you do...
I think the trick is to avoid becoming cynical. The dynamics change around us, but we, individually, determine how we will interact with each other and the world at large.
Even if the world around me goes up in flames, I am responsible for myself and can have an impact on others around me just by virtue of being authentic.
We are part of the tapestry, and we can be bits of light, or we can fade out. It's a choice.
I appreciate you, and thanks for keeping at it.
I feel the same- sometimes feel like moving up on a mountaintop raising goats would be more meaningful than trying to get along in today's society.
Your music and your stories have touched me more than any other in my 40 so odd years in this world. I wish I'd known them longer than just the past year. Life is short. I want to live mine with purpose. I admire you for doing the things you do and look forward to what the future brings.
Ahh, you beat me to it. I was going to say the same exact thing..
Anyways, Billy, you're so much more well-balanced than I am. Anytime I get criticized over anything I've done (or not done), I definitely take it very harshly.. I admire how strong you are.
This post made me remember Dr. Patch Adams workshop that I’ve attended. He said about the social schemes of conformism: fear, anger, exaltation of tragedies, every kind of negativeness... all this makes us shift our attention of love and caring to these bad things. And this make the wheel of power spin. To love somebody, or everybody, is transgression, Billy, and in this post you show you’re doing it right.
This is the first time I post, and despite my limitations on English, I felt I needed to write about Patch, about the connection between these two ideas. There are many videos at Youtube with him and his thoughts, many of them made on my country (Brazil), but spoken in English, if you want... Keep all this love in you heart, and in ours! xoxo
2009-06-26 03:33 am (UTC)
If it's any consolation...I had actually considered bidding and bringing my 15 year old son to buy you lunch. I didn't think twice about who paid? That doesn't mean I am good, they are bad...but that I am not focused on the negative. I held back because I didn't want to seem like an obsessive fan since I am always chiming in something positive to you. I actually enjoy your positive energy and good nature. That's about all I thought...oh and I have always wanted to try that H20 place in Chicago:) I am not a fan of LA. Then that was it :) But seriously, not everyone is like that but like you said most sit quietly behind the scenes...and don't say anything. The the negative ones may think they are winning. Nope, that old saying...silence is golden.
You do not owe anyone anything. You have paid your dues. If you choose to volunteer your time then that's your choice to contribute your time or not. They can say what they want but in the end the proceeds will go to help a charity.
I am actually glad to hear you say something about people not speaking up. That has been a source of conflict in me. I often say that ole "do not mistake my kindness for weakness". Often times people assume that your silence is condoning or agreeing with what is being said. Which is not true. I have stayed quite because I figured you did not need anyone to fight your battles and figured anything I said would be ignored due the depth of hatred and negativity that is expressed. It's not just on your website or to you. It's all over the internet...and it's sad. That Perez Hilton site is a breeding ground of narcissism. I don't go there because it makes me feel sick.
I have not read the comments on your website because I stopped reading any postings on there for that reason...someone has to ruin it by saying something mean or off the wall. I was thinking most of it is projection...and ignorance. I am amazed how some can ignore that it was a charity auction and point out something insignificant or taking something that is good and twisting it into a way to attack you? I am sorry that happened.
I stay silent because I was taught to react with grace and love. Also I was always taught if you ignore them then they will go away. All I can hope is speaking up will bring in some good intentions and energy to the world. I think it will continue to happen if everyone feeds in to it. If you want to defuse it then react with love and then one can simply ask them to explain what they mean until they can hear themselves or maybe they will not. Sometimes I choose to let go of the outcome...
It's time to fight back with love and patience. That's all one can do.
Peace be with you Billy. Thank you for your guiding light :)
He's still rocking in the universe ...
Sir Billy, meastro, mentor - I trust your religious outbursts will wane
2009-06-26 10:06 am (UTC)
Niggle me this, Niggle me that...
I read the headline;
"Billy Corgan makes fan pay for charity lunch, drowns kittens, sets orphanage alight"
I think the negativity surrounding this lunch incident probably has nothing to do with your lunch idea per se, but stems back to other things you've done in the past that your fans have deemed unethical and narcissistic on your part. I can't name exact things, but I've heard fans complaining about all sorts of things about the way you have been packaging your music, the price of tickets, the way you are "selling out" your music to commercials, stuff like that. I personally think it was narcissistic on your part to revive the name "Smashing Pumpkins", if I may be so bold. So when you offer to do something really sweet (and I do think it was really sweet) as a charity lunch, they just automatically figure you have something up your sleeve.
2009-06-28 08:00 pm (UTC)
I had to get this out of my system:
Okay, already they are participating in an auction to have lunch with you, right? Since the winner had so much money to begin with to beat out the other auctioners, why not just pay for your damn lunch, too?
I know I'm going to get shit for saying that because blah blah blah economy, but that just didn't make sense to me. It's like buying an overpriced convertable but deciding to skip over the warranty because it was too much money! ...Bad analogy, I'm sure, but I hope you'd get the idea.
I am sorry for your loss, Mr. Corgan.
Sorry for your loss Billy, have a big hug from me. :)
2009-06-30 01:50 pm (UTC)
Why we're here
BC - I have recently become enamored with SP music as a result of seeing your appearance on Chris Issac's show. I was intrigued by your open discussion of your relationships and creative process and touched by your poetry. I wanted to share a couple of observations with you.
1) On Stupidity/Darkness - sign me up. Whatever I can do to help spread the clear message you've intoned regarding upholding love in a mad world, I'm in.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies
hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction
of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of
annihilation. Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength To Love, 1963.
2) Why we're here - to take care of each other.
To conclude, in my work life I've geeked out with entertainment titans, financial weasels and goverment wonks and tried to bring the sensibility of beauty to them all. So far it seems to be working pretty well.
Here's what you do, go to the lunch, eat, have fun with this fan and when the bill comes take it and pay it, knock every nay-sayer off their asses and give the gift of surprise, admiration and a great day to this fan at the same time. :)
you have writen songs that say this so much better than any amount of words. I went to see your solo show at the 9:30 club in DC and someone started singing 1979 and we all started singing along. And then I started singing 33 and another girl with a pretty voice started singing it along with me. I can imagine we had both probably been 15 alone in our rooms singing that song to cheer ourselves up at some point. I quit singing before she did because I was a bit embarrased that I had started that singalong, and we were at your solo show, not a Pumpkins show, anyways, but it was a wierd moment of realizing just how many people must've been touched by your songs. I remember when Mellon Collie came out it was just what I needed to hear at the time to make it through high school with my head high, and there are many of us whose lives would not be the same if it wasn't for the Smashing Pumpkins and your music.
I know you know there's some great stuff about the internet, ways for people to find others who share their interest where they wouldn't be able to otherwise. Of course a lot of people are assholes, and they will say even worse in the anonymity of the web than they would otherwise, but I hope they don't matter to you as much as the fact that you do have fans who care about you and love your music and future fans who will be affected by your music and don't even know it yet. You have given us a lot, many of us understand that and want to give ya the benefit of the doubt in situations.
Love and good music? sounds good to me. From my perspective us fans are just awaiting the actions behind those words, but that doesn't mean that every one of us is bitter and jaded and just waiting to say something bad. Many of us are hoping much more that we get a chance to say something good and actually mean it.
Best of luck with everything, the new music, the new drummer. If you need some cheering up there is a you tube video of a kid singing Today with her dad that I think is pretty sweet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUq7wuPIAgk
2009-07-08 12:32 pm (UTC)
Loud People who are rude mean and like to hurt others
I was told that there is an old saying for people like that
it goes ... Empty barrels make the most noise...
It really comes down to the fact that some people are empty
2009-07-08 12:37 pm (UTC)
An ol' sayin'
I was told this...
Empty barrels make
the most noise...
some people are truly
empty inside billy.
2009-07-08 09:47 pm (UTC)
music and saying hi
michael nyman, 'the heart asks pleasure first' or 'the promise' ? they sound so alike according to what ive got in windows..., i like everything he wrote in the piano and gattaca..., well im going to be distracted somewhere else...,
2009-07-10 08:02 pm (UTC)
...maybe if you'd have just shut the fuck up long enough to LOVE your own fans and play them some GOOD MUSIC, you wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. You're and incredibly talented brat. Go write some music!
2009-07-11 12:11 am (UTC)
Hay I was the guy at Leeds 2007 with the American Flag- the only one that particular vendor had sold there in years. Was it your genius idea to play the national anthem in front of a bunch of non-Americans before you saw it, and people boo'd?
I know what it is have deep lost of people that are close to you...
But,I employ you Billy being a fan that has nothing but love for you...hear my voice that so it may be one of love and kindness.We love change, but... change shouldn't reflect control.Even god gave free will to man.Some of us reflect things in different ways.I understand what u not want negativity around you..i high doubtful you would ever read about my life,on my live journal.
We at sp.com your fan's that love you ,that back you need our voice,need our self expression.There are ways to go about things, without taking everything away.It is true a few rotten apples shouldn't spoil the whole bunch.Love is not control.God himself gave free will because he love us and didn't want to control us, in love.
I know lately you have been lost maybe still searching a bit in life for a little peace ,happiness and love.We fight for it everyday to surround ourselves in it.But you have become detached from us at sp.com that you have made yourself distance from us and not seeing the BIGGER picture.I had come here to read this,isn't sp.com where your heart is?I know your so busy in life God Bless you,I do not know your burdens or act like i do.
You know i lived a lifetime of abuse from when i was a child to adult.You don't give up, u fight it with all your might.You stand in the mist of it and say no matter what i have a shield of Armour it will not touch me.And people u love and love you should not be control.
I miss the fighter in you BC.
Love bears all things,believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends..."Love never stops being patient, never stops believing, never stops hoping, never gives up.
A faithful fan always